ID

nose

tail

2804 2003

1407 2003

2107 2003

0309 2003

1111 2003

0412 2003

2303 2004

1005 2004

3105 2004

2710 2004

2204 2005

1707 2006

2210 2007

2504 2008

xx05 2008

2007 2008

0704 2009

0406 2010

FATE

6507/51-01

X

X

Tartu-Estonia

6511/4-44

X

6528/4-48

X

X

6542/4-53

X

X

X

F

F

F

fuselage burned?

6701/4-16

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

r

july 2006 gone

6704/9-52

X

X

Mantova

6705/4-5

X

X

X

H

X

Sulmona

6714/4-11

X

X

VignadiValle 9-51

6717/37-22

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Caserta

6719/5-35

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

StSophia

6720/9-51

X

X

X

X

6722/5-31

6939

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Lecce

6731/37-03

X

X

X

X

X

X

6732/37-04

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6733/4-51

6776

6912

X

X

X

Caselle

6734/RS-06

S

6735/9-50

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6737/9-43

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Vairano Scalo

6739/9-33

X

X

X

X

Poggio

6741/9-43

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6749/9-41

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

ITIGG Rome?

6756/9-40

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Ceprano

6759/37-20

X

X

X

6760/4-50

X

X

X

6762/RS-06

S

X

6763/9-33

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

T

Foligno

6764/37-11

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6767/9-37

X

X

X

X

X

X

Rimini

6769/4-53

X

X

X

X

6770/9-35

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6771/4-5

X

X

X

X

X

X

Subaudia

6772/9-45

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Supino

6774/4-1

X

6776/9-46

X

X

X

Erbe-Verona

6784/37-27

X

6786/"3-28"

S

Milano

6787/9-38

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Milano planned

6791/36-14

X

X

6794/37-20

X

X

X

6800/37-25

X

X

6816/4-6

X

X

X

6822/4-51

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

H

X

6824/4-3

X

Deci-FireBrg.

6825/4-10

6805

X

6828/4-55

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6831/4-22

CFE area??

6838/4-58

X

X

X

X

X

Bevilaqua

6847/37-11

X

6848/4-52

X

X

cut in parts

6849/4-10

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6850/4-16

X

X

X

X

X

6872/37-23

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Bovolone

6873/4-9

X

Grosseto

6875/4-14

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Piacenza

6879/4-15

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

6881/4-59

X

X

X

X

X

6890/4-50

S

Brasil

6912/4-21

X

Ferentino

6914/4-1

F

F

F

F

F

F

F

r

Thiene

6923/4-2

X

X

Grosseto Apt

6925/37-15

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

RomeVelletri

6926/4-12

X

X

6930/9-99

S

6932/4-20

X

6934/9-31

H

X

6935/9-32

X

H

LaLugo Apt

6936/9-41/9-10

H

X

X

recoded 9-10

6937/9-42

F

F

F

F

X

X

X

X

X

CancEdArnone

6939/4-52

6722

X

X

PianaD'Omme

6945/RS-06

CFE area??

54226/4-23

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

Firenze

54230/4-27

54232/4-29

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

54235/4-31

CFE area??

54237/4-32

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

54250/4-33

CFE area??

54251/RS-09

S?

S

54257/4-39

CFE area??

54258/4-40

X

X

54260/RS-08

S?

54261/4-42

X

X

X

54554/4-48

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

54555/4-45

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

D

54556/4-47

X

X

X

X

X

X

X

(X) means that it was seen that day on the CFE platform area. When inside the colored area the "X" is missing it means that it must have been there that day (but not seen) This could be because it was hidden behind the CFE buildings or parked inside the big hangar.
(D) means it was seen wfu on the 2nd dump area (old JP8 tanks area). In June 2010 about 5 to 6 unidentified Starfighters + MM54555.
(S) means it was seen wfu inside one of the shelters at Grazzanise AB (not CFE area).
(H) means it was seen inside the main hangar on the CFE area
(r) means it was restored for preserval at that moment
(T) means it was ready for transport to be preserved (that or the next day).
(F) means it was seen at the fire-practise area.

Aircraft MM6936 arrived at Grazzanise as "9-41" but lateron it was seen as "9-10". The reason for this change was the fact that this aircraft was selected to participate in the winter exhibition at Bari, end 2004. To represent the 9 Stormo and 10 Gruppo they changed the serial accordingly into "9-10". In May 2005 it was seen back at Grazzanise and today it still has code "9-10".

GRAZZANISE AREA FROM THE SKY

To clarify the CFE area at Grazzanise please see the satellite photo above. There are 5 different locations of interest. The area marked with code A is the sealed CFE area surrounded by fences. Here the aircraft are carefully demilitarized according official NATO rules. The B shows the big hangar (former 9 Gruppo maintenance hangar) which is often used to prepare aircraft or to build them to become display aircraft). The area C is the electronic shop. Here specific electronic equipment is removed or deactivated. The areas D and E are the storage flightline areas. Formerly only D was used but currently almost all aircraft can be found today at location E.

Here a photo showing the sealed CFE area photographed over the fence. It was taken during the visit on May 31st, 2004.

WHERE DID THEY GO AND WHICH 104 IS WHICH 104

You will notice that still a lot of aircraft have left Grazzanise for an unknown destination. Beneath an overview of aircraft currently preserved but not yet identified. Our goal is to analyse all dates and reports and also to investigate the aircraft to find out their identity. Most of them, if not all, came from Grazzanise CFE area after intensive restoration. Every help from all of you is much appreciated.

Preserved location	First noted
Gallerate "37-03" (F-104S)	January 2003
Capodrise Piazetti Rotari "9-51" (F-104S)	1 July 2008
Palermo University (F-104S) has CFE plate of MM6719!!	5 October 2008
Piacenza University as MM6717 with CFE plate of MM6717	April 2010
Museo Storico 2° Deposito Centrale A.M. at Gallarate "4-4" (F-104G)	2008
Modena University (F-104S) has CFE plate of MM6848!!	October 2008
Tolmezzo with CFE plate of MM6717	Septemer 2006
ITIGG Rome (F-104S) - MM6749????	November 2006
Dell’Istituto Scienze Militari Aeronautiche, Firenze - front fuselage only.	2008 (as red "9-99")

 

TIPS TO IDENTIFY PRESERVED STARFIGHTERS

To find out which F-104 was put on display on certain locations we ask everyone to study these aircraft carefully. Beneath a few tips to help you in identifying a preserved Starfighter. Every help is appreciated!!

 

COPPER CFE PLATE DATA:

On the aircraft most of the times a copper plate is mounted to declare that the aircraft has been treated according CFE agreements. Here the plate is seen of MM6719 thanks to Paolo Maglio.

IFS: BE AWARE THAT THE PLATES DO NOT ALWAYS REPRESENT THE ACTUAL AIRCRAFT IDENTITY. SOMETHIMES PLATES ARE REMOVED FROM CFE TREATED (bad condition) AIRCRAFT AND MOUNTED ON NEW PRESERVED STARFIGHERS BEFORE DELIVERY.

 

GRUPPO CODES IN THE COCKPIT:

Inside the cockpit the squadron used the squadron code digits or MM serials which were applied beneath the radar-altimeter of the S-ASA and S-ASAM as well as the TF-104G-M aircraft.At Grazzanise the 10 Gruppo always applied the code by handwriting, the 18 Gruppo (37 Stormo) used stickers. Above two examples. On top the cockpit of F-104S/ASA-M with code ""46" which means that this aircraft had serial "9-46". The other photo shows the MM6925 as sticker applied beneath the radar altimeter. When an aircraft is preserved this code could tell more about the identity since it shows it latest operational code.

C/N PLATES INSIDE THE WHEELBAYS:

At last it is possible to check for constructionnumber plates. These can be found high up inside the front wheel bay as well as inside the main wheel bays. Also on the nose-wheel doors plates can be found however this could be linked to a wrong identification since nosewheel doors were switched frequently.

PLEASE HELP US WITH YOUR INFORMATION!!!
THANKS!!